Oral history interviews
—Who Owns Oral History? A Creative Commons Solution

Note: This essay was republished in Oral History in the Digital Age, ed. Doug Boyd et al. (Washington, DC: Institute of Library and Museum Services, 2012), July 2012, http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/2012/06/a-creative-commons-solution/.

Who “owns” oral history? When an oral history narrator shares her story in response to questions posed by an interviewer, and the recording and transcript are deposited in an archive, who holds the rights to these historical source materials? Who decides whether or not they may be shared with the public, quoted in a publication, or uploaded to the web? Who decides whether someone has the right to earn money from including an interview in a commercially distributed book, video, or website? Furthermore, does Creative Commons, a licensing tool developed by the open access movement to protect copyright while increasing public distribution, offer a better solution to these questions than existing oral history protocols?

Oral historians have begun to ask these types of questions as we confront new challenges of doing our work in the Internet era. At a November 2010 planning symposium for the Oral History in the Digital Age project, law and technology professor Sheldon Halpern posed the provocative question: “What do you think you own?” One of the symposium participants, Troy Reeves, reflected on its broad implications for the field. Over a decade ago, when narrators granted an oral history interview and signed a release form, they could assume that the audio/video recording and transcript “would remain under the care and control” of an archive or library, which would hold ownership rights and grant access to the public as it deemed appropriate. But the Web is dramatically revising these assumptions. Many oral history repositories have begun to share the content of their holdings online and, in the words of one archivist, believe “it is worth giving up some control for the greater good of having more people use the materials.” 1 We elaborate on our thinking about how the Internet has transformed the historical profession in our open-access edited volume, Writing History in the Digital Age. 2

As as alternative to traditional protocols, Jack and his student researchers began to incorporate Creative Commons language in oral history consent forms while conducting interviews in the metropolitan region of Hartford, Connecticut for the Cities Suburbs and Schools Project at Trinity College. Several interviews are featured in our freely accessible, public history web-book,  On the Line: How Schooling Housing, and Civil Rights Shaped Hartford and its Suburbs, the the entire collection is hosted by the Trinity College Digital Repository. 3 By blending interpretive text with oral interviews and other interactive features, this web-book tells the story of how real estate firms maintained the color line, mortgage lenders engaged in red-lining, families sought homes on the more desirable side of school attendance lines, and activists fought to cross, redraw, or erase these lines. We initially presented this essay as part of a broader discussion on “Whose Civil Rights Stories on the Web?” at the 2012 joint meeting of the Organization of American Historians/National Council on Public History. 4

Jack: In the mid-1990s, I began to conduct oral history interviews for my dissertation research on African-American school reform activists in Milwaukee. 5 I recorded interviews, followed standard protocols for consent forms and institutional review, and made good on my promise to transcribe and return a free copy of the tape and transcript to each of the sixty participants who kindly shared their history. But the “best practices” in the field left me feeling unsatisfied. Originally, I had been drawn toward oral history and public history as means of community empowerment on civil rights history, but the standard guidelines required me to ask people who freely offered their stories to sign away some of their rights.

At that time, my reference guide for consent forms was the Oral History Association’s pamphlet by John Neuenschwander, Oral History and the Law, which has since been expanded into a book. 6 On the legal question of ownership, as soon as the interview is recorded, the oral history narrator initially holds the copyright, but standard practice is to prepare a consent form to transfer away those rights. As Neuenschwander explains, “The vast majority of oral historians and programs at some point secure the transfer of the interviewee’s copyright interests by means of a legal release agreement,” and offers sample language in the appendix. 7 Similarly, the Oral History Association’s 2009 statement on “Principles and Best Practices” fully expects oral history participants to sign over their rights as part of the standard procedure for conducting interviews: “The interviewer should secure a release form, by which the narrator transfers his or her rights to the interview to the repository or designated body, signed after each recording session or at the end of the last interview with the narrator.” 8 As I understood copyright law, since I wished to create a transcript of the interview and freely quote from it in my scholarly writing, the transfer of copyright away from the narrator was in my best interest.

But here was the ugly irony: as a white scholar of the civil rights movement, my consent form required African American activists to “sign over” rights to their oral history interview. At that time, the best arrangement I could negotiate was a two-step process, because I was working with two different repositories. First, my consent form asked oral history narrators to transfer their copyrights directly to me, which in turn, I donated with the tapes and transcripts to two institutions: the Wisconsin Black Historical Society/Museum (a local public history organization that was best positioned to share these stories with the African-American community) and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Library archives (a better-funded, predominantly white institution that was better equipped to share this history more widely on the emerging Internet). I intentionally partnered with both repositories, and kept my promise to give tapes and transcripts back to all parties, to counter prior generations of white academics and journalists who had come into Milwaukee’s black community to “scoop” up stories, while leaving nothing behind. The 1995 version of my oral history consent form (download full PDF) included this key language, paraphrased from Neuenschwander’s 1993 pamphlet:

I agree to be interviewed and tape recorded by Jack Dougherty, as part of his dissertation research on the recent history of African-American education in Milwaukee. At the end of the research project, the original tapes and edited transcripts will be donated to the Milwaukee Urban Archives at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and the Wisconsin Black Historical Society/Museum. These materials will be identified by my name and made available to the public for scholarly and educational purposes, unless exceptions are listed below. . . .

I also grant to Jack Dougherty any title to copyright, property right, or literary rights in the recording(s) and their use in publication, as well as to any reproductions, transcripts, indexes, or finding aids produced from the recording(s).

My participation in this project is entirely voluntary, and I may withdraw at any time prior to its conclusion and the donation of the materials to the Archives.

Check here to receive a free copy of the tape

Check here to receive a free copy of any transcriptions (whole or partial) for the opportunity to proofread or clarify your spoken words

Yet I was frustrated with this language about copyright transfer. In my eyes, the wording was a necessary evil to preserve these valuable oral histories in a university archive (whose staff at that time coached me on the consent form) and to allow me to quote extensively from them in my eventual book (as required by my publisher’s copyright permissions process). Understandably, many Black Milwaukeeans were highly skeptical or hesitant when I explained the terms of the consent form. Several expressed deep concern that it asked them to sign away their life stories, which I assured them was not the case. A few agreed to be interviewed but did not sign the form. A few others refused to be interviewed at all. One persuaded me, after our interview, to write up a special consent form that preserved her copyright and granted me permission to quote specified passages in my writing, but did not extend any rights to others, such as the archives. Eventually, over sixty oral history participants did agree to sign my consent form, for which I was grateful. Some signed in exchange for a free copy of the recording and transcript as a contribution to their own family histories. Others were motivated by the public good of preserving and sharing their civil rights stories through one or both of my archival partner organizations. Together, all of these conversations challenged me to think more deeply about who benefitted from this contractual arrangement. If activists freely shared their civil rights stories with me, did I have the right to profit as a professional historian? The process expanded my thinking about oral history and the public good, and upon receiving an academic book contract, I returned my share of royalties (and later, prize money and speaking fees) back to the Wisconsin Black Historical Society/Museum to continue their public history work.

Given my understanding of oral history and copyright law as a graduate student in the mid-1990s, this was the best user-friendly consent form I could envision. Looking back, there were some alternatives that deserved more consideration. For instance, I could have expanded on the copyright transfer language by adding a line that retained the narrators’ rights to utilize their own interviews during their lifetimes. 9 But adding this clause fails to address the underlying issue of transfer of copyright ownership away from the narrator, and out of their family’s hands at the end of their lifetime. Another alternative I could have explored further was to ask narrators to make their interviews part of the public domain. But this option would have gone to the extreme of eliminating all of their rights under copyright law, and furthermore, at that time I could not find useful examples of this approach by oral historians. 10 Under these circumstances, this mid-1990s consent form was the best I could do at the time, yet it left a bitter taste and a strong desire to find a better model in the future.

Candace: When I began working with the On The Line public history web-book project in the summer of 2011, one of my tasks was to conduct oral history interviews with Hartford civil rights activists. At this point, our research team had stopped using conventional consent forms (which asked participants to “sign over” all rights to their interviews) and had begun using a new form that Jack developed with Creative Commons language. Basically, Creative Commons is a standardized license that maintains the original copyright for the person who created a work, while allowing it to be shared more widely with the public, with certain restrictions if desired. Initially released in 2002 with support from the Center for the Public Domain, there are now six types of Creative Commons licenses:

Image source: http://education-copyright.org/creative-commons/

Our current oral history consent form (download full PDF) uses the By Attribution — NonCommercial — Share Alike license, with this key language:

I voluntarily agree to be interviewed for this historical study …

I understand that my interview (and other items above) may be distributed to the public for educational purposes, including formats such as print, public programming, and the Internet.

Also, I agree to freely share my interview (and other items above) under the terms of a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. This means that I retain the copyright, but that the public may freely copy, modify, and share these items for non-commercial purposes under the same terms, if they include the original source information.

In return, the interviewer promises to send one free copy of the interview recording, transcript, and related items to my address above.

We prefer the Creative Commons (CC) consent form because it clearly keeps the copyright in the hands of the oral history interview participant, but allows us to freely share the recording and transcript on our open-access public history website and library repository, where individuals and organizations may copy and circulate it, with credit to the original source. For our oral history consent form, we added a NonCommercial restriction, to ensure participants that no one can profit by selling their interviews. As the Creative Commons “Frequently Asked Questions” section clarifies, once a CC license is applied to a work, it cannot be revoked, but all CC licenses are non-exclusive, meaning that the holder of the copyright (in this case, the interview participant) may grant additional licenses to other parties (such as a for-profit book or movie, if desired). 11 Also, CC licenses do not limit “fair use” provisions of existing U.S. copyright law, meaning that commentators have the same rights to report on or quote from the original work. Furthermore, CC licenses are increasingly used by leading knowledge-based institutions such as the the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) OpenCourseWare project and the Public Library of Science (PLOS). Overall, we believe that this combination of intellectual property tools — traditional copyright with Creative Commons licensing — fits better with our primary goal of historical preservation and public education than does traditional copyright alone.

In Hartford, a specific oral history interview we conducted with school integration activist Elizabeth Horton Sheff deserves mention, because she took our Creative Commons consent form one step further by renegotiating its terms, just before we began our video recording. Sheff agreed with our goal of preserving her oral history for the public good, but her primary concern was to avoid being quoted out of context, as she had experienced with journalists in the past. She wanted her oral history interview to be made available in its totality on the web, but not to allow others to create a modified or excerpted version. Fortunately, Sheff was familiar with Creative Commons because her son is in the independent music business. She asked for a “no derivatives” restriction, and on the spot, we modified the consent form license to the ByAttribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives CC license. As a result, her video recorded interview and transcript both appear in the Trinity College library digital repository, but to respect her restriction, we blocked the ability of users to download their own copy of the video (to make it harder to create an edited version). 12 Still, anyone can move the video time slider on their web browser to watch only a certain portion if desired (such as minutes 28 to 32). Furthermore, anyone may download the transcript of the interview, and quote from the text under “fair use” guidelines.

Elizabeth Horton Sheff

Click to view Elizabeth Horton Sheff oral history video interview and transcript in new tab.

We do not contend that Creative Commons has resolved all of our questions about who “owns” oral history, nor do we claim expertise in intellectual property law. But as oral historians seeking alternatives, we believe that this combination — traditional copyright with Creative Commons licensing — fulfills our dual needs to maintain the rights of individual participants while sharing history with the public.

Are you familiar with other oral history projects using Creative Commons licensing? We invite you to post links and discuss other examples here, or to add your comments or questions about the issues raised.

Notes:

  1. Troy Reeves, “What Do You Think You Own,” in Oral History in the Digital Age, 2012, http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/2012/06/what-do-you-think-you-own/.
  2. Jack Dougherty and Kristen Nawrotzki, eds. Writing History in the Digital Age. Under contract with the University of Michigan Press. Trinity College (CT) web-book edition, Spring 2012, http://WritingHistory.trincoll.edu.
  3. Jack Dougherty and colleagues, On The Line: How Schooling, Housing, and Civil Rights Shaped Hartford and its Suburbs. Web-book preview edition. Hartford, CT: Trinity College, Fall 2011, http://OnTheLine.trincoll.edu; Oral History Interviews, Cities Suburbs and Schools Project, Trinity College Digital Repository, http://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cssp/
  4. “Whose Civil Rights Stories on the Web?” roundtable session at Organization of American Historians/National Council on Public History joint meeting, Milwaukee, WI, April 20, 2012, available from the Trinity College Digital Repository, http://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cssp_papers/40/.
  5. Jack Dougherty, More Than One Struggle: The Evolution of Black School Reform in Milwaukee (University of North Carolina Press, 2004). See author’s website links, http://caribou.cc.trincoll.edu/depts_educ/struggle/, and “More Than One Struggle Oral History Project Records,” University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee archives, http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/wiarchives.uw-mil-uwmmss0217. Some interviews  have been digitized and included in the March on Milwaukee Civil Rights History Project website, http://www4.uwm.edu/libraries/digilib/march/index.cfm.
  6. John Neuenschwander, Oral History and the Law, revised edition. (Oral History Association Pamphlet series no. 1, originally published 1985, revised 1993), which has been updated and renamed as Neuenschwander, A Guide to Oral History and the Law (New York: Oxford University Press, 2009).
  7. Neuenschwander, A Guide to Oral History and the Law, p. 64. He also cites case law that the copyright may be jointly held by the interviewee and interviewer.
  8. Oral History Association, “Principles and Best Practices”, 2009, http://www.oralhistory.org/do-oral-history/principles-and-practices/.
  9. As I recall, one reason I did not include this clause in the consent form was because, in my mind at that time, I feared that the suggested language from the 1993 Oral History Association pamphlet (p. 46) and its emphasis on death might have scared away some of my elderly participants: “Allow me to copy, use and publish my oral memoir in part or in full until the earlier of my death or [insert date].” By contrast, Neuenschwander’s 2009 edition (p. 116) now includes more life-affirming language: “[In return for transferring copyright], the Center grants me a nonexclusive license to utilize my interview/s during my lifetime.”
  10. In Neuenschwander’s 2009 edition now includes this sample language: “In making this gift I fully understand that my interview/s will not be copyrighted by me or the Oral History Program but will be immediately placed in the public domain. This decision is intended to provide maximum usage by future researchers” (p. 85).
  11. “How Do CC Licenses Operate?” Frequently Asked Questions, Creative Commons, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ.
  12. Elizabeth Horton Sheff, Oral history interview on Sheff v. O’Neill (with video) by Candace Simpson for the Cities, Suburbs, and Schools Project, July 28, 2011. Available from the Trinity College Digital Repository, Hartford Connecticut, http://digitalrepository.trincoll.edu/cssp_ohistory/16.

7 Responses to Who Owns Oral History? A Creative Commons Solution

  1. Pat McNees says:

    I am so happy to see this article. I have always been bothered by oral history projects that required the people being interviewed to give away the rights to their own words. This allows the oral history collections to do their valuable work (of curating the interviews of many), gives the interviewees a copy of their interview, and lets them also exploit whatever opportunities they have to share their story in other venues. Thanks for the excellent explanation.
    – Pat McNees (member, Association of Personal Historians)

  2. Dan Kerr says:

    Jack and Candace,
    Thanks for doing this great work. We should work on adjusting the best practice statement for OHA so that CC is recognized as an alternative. I have been using public domain, but I have been gravitating to the CC licenses over the last year. Your form is very helpful and answers a key question I’ve had about how one would translate CC to an oral history interview setting with a hard copy form.
    I have a couple of questions. Would the share alike provision prohibit people from using extended portions of the interviews in copyrighted books published by academic presses? Also, as I understand it, using the non-commercial provision would prevent anyone from sharing the video on a websites that have advertising in the margins, like Facebook or Twitter, even though the person sharing the content may not be the one benefiting from the advertising.

    • Dan,
      Thanks for your thoughtful questions and my apologies for the delay in replying, as we revised the essay to address your concerns, and it took me longer to do than expected (as I should have known it would).

      I’d like to know more about your public domain oral history work. As noted above, I’ve considered but never acted on this model, and have adopted Creative Commons because it maintains the copyright in the hands of the narrator.

      Based on my reading of the CC license and its FAQ page, writers can still rely on “fair use” guidelines in US Copyright law in quoting and commenting on portions of oral history interviews with CC share-alike provisions. This does not mean that you could copy and paste the entire interview into a traditionally copyrighted book, but that you could quote from the interview, just as we typically do today.

      Regarding your question about whether posting a CC non-commercial oral history video on a website that contains some marginal advertising, look at this FAQ on Does my use violate the NonCommercial clause of the licenses?. Clearly, the CC Foundation does not offer legal advice here, but there is an important distinction in the first line about NonCommercial meaning the prohibition of uses that are “primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation” (my emphasis). If you have other sources or commentary on this topic, please post links here.

  3. Brandy says:

    I ran across your post and has made me understand how important it is to understand the rights of oral history. As a genealogists, most of my concerns has been written history, but oral history is becoming more popular too. Thank you for creating this post.

  4. Jack and Candace,

    Thanks for this article, which is about the best I’ve seen on the subject. Most of this article describes exactly the position of me and I’m sure many others. I’m a history professor, and both doing and teaching oral history have left me very dissatisfied with the standard way of doing things.

    After many years and many phases I am leaning hard toward the public domain, i.e. either having narrators release all rights to their interviews, or not do the interviews. A few issues:

    (1) Promises I can’t keep: A lot comes down to how you guess the CC experiment will play out. But I have zero intention of legally enforcing CC or other restrictions, and I’m guessing ditto for the narrators. So I don’t want to give them a false sense of control or security. The reality is that once something is out there digitally, it really is (in non-legal terms) in the public domain, so I suspect that we should frankly label it (in legal terms) as public domain. It seems more honest to me. The real restrictions are ethical, so I don’t want to pretend they’re legal.

    (2) Archives and photo agencies: I think I agree with you here. Really, why should I or some archive hold the copyright to an interview? In the case of photos, some archives act like archives and some like photo agencies, limiting availability in the dream of earning royalties or pseudo-royalty “use fees.” They morph into The Center for the Prevention of ___ Studies, the principal obstacle to scholars. And again, the interviewer has near-zero control or knowledge of what some archivist will do with materials five or fifty years from now.

    (3) Families: This is, in my experience, a godawful mess. Grandchildren walking into archives telling them what they can do, assuming that since they descend they have some rights. It is very rare for such rights to be transmitted clearly. Given the timespan and mess of copyright you could have committees of great-grandkids with fractional ownership, like Native land ownership. Interviewees are often old, and in reality you’ll soon have widowed interviews– to whom do I write for permission?

    (4) Commercial vs. non-commercial: This is a grayscale with 256 shades, another godawful mess.

    (5) Money and elitism: This is about a wash for me. I know the history of strip-mining the poor for a book, but I have to tell you, the people I’ve seen on tapes in the archives are a fairly elite bunch. And the stereotype of the professor getting rich on royalties makes me laugh. A reverse way to imagine OH is like a public library– giving (often elite) information to those who wouldn’t otherwise have it.

    (6) Open society: As in your excellent example of the lady who modified the terms, narrators are not children. They have the same responsibility to perpetuate an open society as I do. They can either tell their story to the world, or not. I suspect that if they tell their story, it will in fact be available to the whole world, and the world will chop it and cite it as it likes. And that’s usually a good thing.

    Sorry for my terrible longwindedness. We are all clearly figuring this out, but to me we’re nowhere near done. I suspect the real emphasis should be upstream, on educating potential interviewees. I’d be very interested in your views.

    Thanks again,

    Robb Campbell

    • Robb,
      Thanks for your thoughtful response to our essay. I certainly understand why you’re leaning toward insisting on a public domain as part of your agreement to conduct the oral history interview. It’s a position that I seriously considered, but as I noted above, would require that narrator to relinquish all of their rights. Since that’s precisely the problem I encountered with the traditional model (when we asked narrators to give up all rights to the archive), and since Creative Commons is a viable legal alternative, I’m going to stick with my new consent form unless some new evidence persuades me to do otherwise. But I encourage other oral historians to share their approaches and samples of their consent form language. Perhaps you have a public domain form that you’d be willing to post online and share?

      • Robert Campbell kindly sent this follow-up via email, and gave permission to post here:

        Jack,

        In December I commented on your blog post about using Creative Commons licenses for oral history. You had asked if I had a form using CC’s public domain dedication, CC0, and now I do. [Link to public domain oral history consent form.] The attached was approved by my IRB, but I think we are all figuring this out as we progress. Certainly I am. Feel free to post it and this email; all comments are welcome and appreciated.

        Thanks,
        Robb

        Robert W. Campbell
        Associate Professor of History
        Black Hills State University
        Spearfish SD 57799
        robert.campbell at bhsu.edu
        @zoombackbaby

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